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Former Governor Madeleine Kunin speaks at a campaign event for democratic candidate for Lt. Governor Molly Gray in Burlington on February 27, 2020. File photo by Glenn Russell/VTDigger

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America has chosen a strong man — with an emphasis on “man.”

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Donald Trump wagered that that a key to victory was appealing to men. His misogynist comments, his contempt for social and political norms, his embrace of authoritarian strongmen around the world was aimed at winning over men,n especially young non-college educated men. It worked: the 2024 election results reflected an historic gender gap, in which most men voted for Trump, while most women voted for Vice President Kamala Harris.

The two century-old tradition of electing men to lead the U.S. continues, at least for another four years.

At the age of 91, Gov. Madeleine Kunin has a unique and long perspective on politics. She is the only woman to be elected governor in Vermont, serving three terms from 1985 to 1991. She went on to serve as U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland and Deputy Secretary of Education under Pres. Bill Clinton. Kunin founded Emerge Vermont to recruit and train Democratic women to run for office.

Kunin’s politics have long been informed by her personal experience with authoritarianism. A Swiss Jew, her family fled Europe in 1940 as Nazism spread.

“I’m inspired in a strange way by my proximity to the Holocaust,” she said the morning after Trump’s election. “We have to speak up. We have to participate. We can’t just sit down and shut the door and stay by the fire. We have to fight more than ever and figure out how to be most effective.”

“We will have to fight hard to protect democracy from here on in.”

As a pioneering politician herself, Kunin said she was “very excited about the possibility of electing the first woman president. I hoped I would live that long.”

She mused, “In a time of uncertainty, the public likes a strong man.”

Kunin reflected on the need to “have more of a dialogue with young men so that they begin to understand who we are. That schism, that gap between men and women is not good for democracy.”

In the aftermath of defeat “your first reaction is to retreat,” Kunin conceded, “but I don’t think we can afford to retreat. We have to still be activists. We still have to participate and make our voices heard… We just have to force ourselves to keep democracy alive and to express our political and social views and make sure that as women, we remain active.”

Kunin’s advice to women is to “keep on doing what you’re doing … I would urge women to continue to strive for top offices and not be totally discouraged by this election.”

Kunin confessed that on the morning after the election, “I felt the real doom and gloom. But as the day goes on and as I’m talking to you, the fighting spirit is fighting its way back into my mind, into my psyche. I know we can’t give up.”

Read the story on VTDigger here: Vermont Conversation: Former Gov. Madeleine Kunin on the next Trump presidency.

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