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President-Elect Donald Trump has vowed to take revenge on his enemies. He promised to begin mass deportations of undocumented immigrants on Day 1 and to further restrict reproductive rights. And he is threatening to overturn longstanding environmental protections and public health measures.
With Republicans seemingly on the verge of control of all three branches of government in Washington, state attorneys general are being described as “a last line of defense against Trump.”
Vermont Attorney General Charity Clark says she is ready for the fight.
“The federal government can’t break federal statute. They can’t violate the Constitution, and it’s attorneys general like me who will represent the states in making sure that that doesn’t happen,” said Clark. During Trump’s first term as president, Democratic attorneys general sued the Trump administration 155 times, winning 83 percent of the cases.
Clark noted that Trump “has a penchant for breaking the law. He doesn’t respect the law in his personal life. He didn’t respect it as president, and we can anticipate that he’s not going to respect it again.”
“We’re going to be ready on day one,” she said.
Clark was first elected attorney general in 2022 and re-elected this November. A native Vermonter whose family owned a popular grocery store in Londonderry, Clark is a graduate of the University of Vermont and Boston College Law School. She went off to New York City to work for a large law firm for six years before returning to Vermont in 2014 for a job in the attorney general’s office. Eight years later, she became Vermont’s top prosecutor. She is the first woman to be elected attorney general in Vermont (her predecessor, Susanne Young, was appointed by Gov. Scott to serve the final six months of Attorney General T.J. Donovan’s term when Donovan resigned in June 2022). Clark is currently one of just a dozen female attorneys general in the country.
“One of the things that I feel almost resentful about is the chaos that a Trump presidency is going to bring on us,” said Clark. “I think about especially my daughter and kids who are in elementary school now and pretty much their whole lives, have had either this chaos or the specter of this chaos and the fear of the second Trump term, and now we’re getting it again. …Except this time, we’re going to be ready.”
What happens if federal agents attempt to round up people living in Vermont who are undocumented, as Trump has threatened?
“How is he going to pay for it? Who’s going to perform the work? How many immigration officers do we even have here in Vermont?” replied Clark “I think we need to sort of stay calm, but we also need to plan and prepare.”
Clark believes that Vermont’s Reproductive Liberty Amendment, passed in 2022, will protect reproductive rights in the state, but a national abortion ban could upend it.
Abortion is “symbolic of the concept that women are independent human beings who deserve to control their own bodies. And it’s appalling to me that we are where we are in this country,” said Clark. “I’m proud of where we are in Vermont, but it is hard to imagine we live in this country where people in Vermont, in every single town, voted to enshrine the right to abortion in our state constitution. And how can our viewpoint be so different from other places in this country? It’s honestly disturbing that we are a part of the same union, and yet we have such differing views on this fundamental question of bodily autonomy for women.”
Attorney General Clark concluded with a message to Vermonters.
“I want to reassure them that as their attorney general, I’m going to fight to protect them. I’m going to use every tool in the toolbox to do that.”
“We also have to keep faith in our democracy. And in Vermont, we have a very strong, robust democracy. And we need to keep reinvesting in that vision and participating, even as we look to the future to another four years of Donald Trump.”
Read the story on VTDigger here: Vermont Conversation: Vermont Attorney General Charity Clark on fighting the next Trump administration.